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Smithy
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shippers
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 Posted - 04/06/2007 : 10:28:52
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To be honest Smithy I don’t find this funny at all although it’s a complete joke.
Once again UEFA are embarrassing themselves by once again conspiring against English clubs.
I think the main reason they have done this is because they are trying to deflect the blame for the chaos in the Champions League final.
How can we be the worst in Europe when there is trouble every week in Italy and countless other incidents in Europe (shooting in France etc) and not England.
Liverpool FC can’t react until the report is published but I’m sure they won’t let UEFA get away with this farce.
Who do UEFA ever have to answer too… they should be investigated. Especially Platini and Gaillard… idiots!!!
p.s. the Independent have produced a good article today… worth a read.
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jammer10
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 10:50:36
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After reading that on BBC my immediate reaction was to come on here!! thought either mitchard or smithy would have been on here!! haha
The worst behaved fans in europe, you, wilson, tracey, dog etc. nothing but thugs... |
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shippers
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 10:57:21
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I expected most of the bitter anti Liverpool fans to jump on this wagon.
However, if you have half a brain you will realise its not just an attack on Liverpool fans… it’s another blatant attack from UEFA on all English fans.
Where are the reports on Italy, France, Turkey etc?
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Smithy
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Solomon Islands
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 11:09:32
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Bitter anti Liverpool fans? You make it out as if we are jealous? You won nothing this year. What is there to be Jealous of? (cue boring history rant from Ships!)
My point was that this is not the first time Liverpool fans have been blamed. One day you will have to accept that you don't have the best fans in the world......
 
Hannah More Zider......
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shippers
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 11:16:51
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Your right Smithy it is not the first time and it won’t be the last unless UEFA are investigated properly and until UEFA is not run by the French.
To be honest their actions are just strengthening the G14 break away!
p.s. Has anything come from the Spurs fans ripping up the Seville stadium? I’m surprised UEFA didn’t try blaming that on Liverpool and kicking us all out of Europe.
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Dog
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 11:21:04
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Have to agree with Nick on this one. I feel we, the English, are treated like animals abroad. Maybe these foreign leagues should take a look at the Premiership to see how well policed it is. If a policeman respects a fan, he will be respected back, if he strikes a fan with a baton, he can expect to get a slap back.
UEFA, as with FIFA, continue to show what a shambles they are and they need investigating, not internally, but from an independent commission.
The FA should take control - it is OUR game after all. |
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jammer10
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 11:23:10
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Well we cant all be well behaved like arsenal in europe can we?! We lead by example when we are in europe, you never ever get any trouble with us.
I do think this 'report' is harsh considering what does go on in italy and spain. But 23 different incidents in 4 years is a hell of a lot!! Every club has their nutters and looks like the minority of the liverpool fans are the worst!
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Smithy
HMZ God
Solomon Islands
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 11:52:32
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Ships and Dog, you are missing my point.
I know as well as you that when England fans travel abroad we are treated very very badly and yes I agree that there are countries who have serious issues with trouble and they seem to get away with it every time.
Im just saying that out of the English clubs in Europe your fans have let the country down more times than most. Therefore how have you got "the best fans in the world"??
Hannah More Zider......
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T-Man
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 13:27:06
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Tone,
I think you may have mis-interpreted the claim here. "Liverpool have the worse fans in the world" based on UEFA saying there have been 23 incidents since 2003.
What constitutes an "incident"?? For all we know it could be drunken disorderly arrest, fake ticket scam etc. Non of this compares to fans from Italy, Turkey or France who actively go out a stab other fans to death (too many examples here to list) and we certainly know that Liverpool fans DON'T do this!!!
On the other hand i DO think Liverpool fans do have to shoulder some of the blame as they obviuosly bought fake tickets knowing that fans who had bought proper tickets would be left outside, but you tell me one English club or any club that won't do this. In addition this includes the fans that just blagged their way in. It shouldn't be tolerated.
BUT UEFA are the worst. WHO stages a massive final at a stadium without turnstiles or any way of counting how many fans are inside the ground. It is absolutely unbelieveable!!!!!!! They need to take a long hard look at themselves. |
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Bracer
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 15:09:46
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| Jammer, what's this "us" and "we" business? I thought we'd established that you supported Rovers! Or was that just the other week-end. When City played in Europe back in the 80's (the magnificent Anglo-Italian Cup!!! which we won by the way, beating St.Mirren???), we had absolutely NO TROUBLE! Both the fans who went to Italy had a great time! |
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Rob
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 17:52:26
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The reason Liverpool fans have been involved in most incidents in Europe, is because we've played more times in Europe than most!
23 incidents over 4 years is not a lot. Like T said, "What constitutes an incident".
Isn't it a little bit coincidental that this report has come out in the week that Richard Caborn (sports minister) is due to meet with Michel Platini regarding the inadequate organisation at the Champions league final?
It's a case of UEFA trying to blame everyone but themselves. |
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Jungle Jim
HMZ God
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 18:05:21
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I think your memory must be going a bit Bracer!
It was the 90s when City were in the Anglo-Italian cup.We never won it though.
It was the Anglo-Scottish cup we won, beating St Mirren in 1978.
We had 2 away games in the Anglo-Italian, v Pisa and Cremonese, which we lost and drew respectively. As I remember it about 500 City fans went to the Pisa game. I'm sure they caused plenty of trouble too!!
Back to the point, Scousers are scum and cause trouble wherever they go, and well done UEFA for recognising this.
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Maddog
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 18:34:44
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Sorry for my delayed reply to this topic, but as I started a new job today, I thought it would be a bit rude to abuse their internet policy on my first day!
Anyway, here we go.......
I really hate to say it, and am feeling a bit sick writing this, but I ALMOST agree with the Liverpool fans on this. Almost:
It seems to me that UEFA are just diverting everyones attention regarding the valid questions about safety and security at the game, by once again blaming the English.
To the best of my knowledge there has been little or no trouble at a Football match stage in England or Scotland for many years now, and I'm staggered that UEFA can't follow the British method of policing football matches. Its probably a more general anti british feeling that is rife across Europe than anything actually to do with football.
Having said that Liverpool fans are not without blame. How hard could it be to find out what facilities were being laid on for fans without tickets before travelling? Also, if you haven't got a ticket, why travel to the stadium and try to get in the ground? I've also heard stories of Liverpool fans mugging each other for tcikets! that is shocking, and gives England a bad name, and in my opinion, leaves Liverpool with very little credibilty.
to sum up then; UEFA havent got a clue what they are doing, and should admit that the English do, and some Liverpool fans are a disgrace to this glorious Nation, and should find the nearest tall building, and do the decent thing. Jump.
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Smithy
HMZ God
Solomon Islands
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 22:47:52
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I was not saying I agree with UEFA. I am just saying that Liverpool fans are clearly not the best in the world as ships keep pointing out as they behave worse than other English clubs in Europe!
UEFA have a lot to answer for, but as shipway like to mention history every 5 mins then lets look at your fans history! always causing trouble!
Liverpool Fans = Worse in the World!!!
Hannah More Zider......
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Bracer
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 00:27:41
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| Thanks Jim, you font of all knowledge ( or to put it another way, ya bast**d!) I didn't really have a clue about the finer details, I just get bored of all these West Country people claiming to be the No.1 supporters of big Premierdhip teams from here, there & everywhere. I do remember, though, that on the back of an impressive performance in the Anglo-Scottish, we bought Tony Fitzpatrick from St. Mirren. Anyway, COME ON CITY!!! ( & Berwick, of course )! |
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