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Jungle Jim
HMZ God
Falkland Islands
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 Posted - 02/06/2004 : 21:06:31
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I can see lots of good arguments for him going (crap signings, negative tactics, players out of position) but if it was us who got the goal out of nothing and went up on Sunday would we be bothered about all that? No, he would have been given the freedom of the City. And I think more importantly the only thing that kept us down was our early season form, could it not be said that since December Danny hasn't done too bad (I seem to remember winning 11 games in a row not so long ago).
Danny should stay, but we can't tolerate a poor start to next season (and I have a feeling that the board wont).
Hannah More Zider...
keeping the apples burning 
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lord lucan
HMZ God
440 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 07:50:11
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the 11 games unbeaten was impressive but i cant remember us playing that well, wilson's future was in question last year but alot of fans said give him another year. Well the year has gone and nothing, remember jim we were top of the league and we f"cked it up. As for giving him the freedom of the city hope its bloody somewhere else. Wilson has promised promotion but failed so far. How much money have we spent this year on trying to get promotion.
The other clubs wilson has left the fans say he can only take you so far, Can he take us further?
Surly if a new manager is needed the summer break is the right time to bring someone in.
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Dog
HMZ God
793 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 09:43:27
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Hmmm, to be honest, i'm for Danny staying another season, however, if the board have any doubt they should take the ideal opportunity of the summer to get someone in.
What the board must not do, is let Danny spend money on players he wants and then give him the boot, similar to what happened with John Ward and many other managers in the prem, ie Hoddle. The board lets them blow money on players they themselves wabt, and then give them the boot. The new manager then comes in and either don't use them or sales them on the cheap.
It should be all or nothing, one season and see, or none.
Hannah More Zider loves CLINT .......not gays. |
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Gents
HMZ God
Trinidad and Tobago
2214 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 10:47:12
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I wouldn't have been up for giving him the freedom of the City if we had won sunday because promotion is the absolute minimum we should have obtained with the players we have, the money he has been given, and the quality of the 2nd Division last season. I remember everyone who went to the first game of the season saying "give wilson another year and see what he does". That season is up and he has achieved nothing and taken the club backwards.
The 12 game winning run was an impressive series of results (although not performances), but this was the least we needed to do just to catch up with 2 teams who had built a massive lead on us, 2 teams that had finished lower than us the season before and spent no money since. The following run of 5 defeats from 7 against a bunch of crap teams wasn't so good.
Maybe in different circumstances I would say give him another chance and see how he is doing by christmas - but in our current situation that is more of a gamble than releasing him now. By letting him hang around he has already made decisions which I believe will be massively damaging to the future of the Club. Following on from Dog's points, the Directors MUST have doubts now about his ability to get us promoted, and no other manager in their right mind would retain Peacock, Burnell and Bell.
Peacock is not up to the job, he cant play goalscorer, he cant play target-man, he tries to do a bit of both leaving whoever plays up front with him in limbo which is why he's never formed an effective partnership with anyone at the Club. But he's obviously Wilson's favourite and plays 90 minutes of every game even if he is playing much worse than the chap up front with him. We have 3 young strikers with massive potential that we should be bringing through - wilson's love of peacock is seriously damaging for their development and confidence.
Burnell = Terrible, terrible performances in midfield for us, and has hardly played since December. I think he could do a job for someone else at centre-back or maybe right back, but we have more established players in these positions. He is young and should have been given the chance to go and find first team football elsewhere.
Bell = Has been on transfer list for 3 years but now offered new contract?!?!?! Only wilson could do something as stupid. He is 32, on high wages, and we have other players under contract who can play his position - weren't these the exact reasons Lansdown has just given for releasing Rouge?
Peacock, Burnell and Bell had to go. wilson shouldn't have been around to make the decisions to keep them. If we had released these 3 players along with the other 5 that have gone and reduced wage bill, it would have hopefully meant we wouldn't have to sell Tommy, Coles, or anyone this summer, and we would still have a squad more than capable of finishing next year as Champions. We maybe have even been able to bring in a couple more players. THAT IS WHY WILSON HAD TO GO AFTER SUNDAY'S GAME!
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Edited by - Gents on 03/06/2004 11:38:59 |
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Rob
Cider Bus Convert
Bermuda
335 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 12:21:58
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Its one thing saying Wilson should go, but who are you going to replace him with?
The only person i could think of who has the credentials and experience is Peter Taylor or Dario Grady, and i can't see either joining City.
I think City have a decent side defensively, but attacking wise i think they are woeful. The games that i have seen this season at Ashton Gate, i thought City's front players have been very poor, and that includes Roberts.
If Gillespie gets a decent run in the side, i think you will see him as one of division 2's top scorers next season, and city will be challenging for honours again.
I'd say keep Wilson for another season, and if they don't challenge next year, then re-evaluate. |
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Jungle Jim
HMZ God
Falkland Islands
1872 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 12:35:30
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On the Peacock/Bell/Burnell side of things my understanding is that whilst these players are to be offered contracts, none have actually accepted yet. So we can still hope that the offers are realistic to their ability, and may be big reductions on their current deal. For example I would happily see Peacock stay on his current wages, if 75% of that comprised goal bonuses.
In terms of other management options I think John Ward and Tony Fawthrop would be the two most likely candidates.
Hannah More Zider...
keeping the apples burning
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lord lucan
HMZ God
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 13:07:09
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for me the defence has just rode its luck all season, i think it will be a different story next year. As for who would be are next manager why do the usual suspects names come out all the time.
As for gillespie having a run in the team is a good idea but wilson wont do it, he will play most of the friendlies and end up in the reserves wilson does it all the time with the young lads.
How long do we give him one more year enjoying the pooe we have seen this year. Then they will be saying give him one more year again.
Not for me
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Chowie
Cider Bus Convert
USA
229 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 14:11:14
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This is a good thread, much better than the crap on the city site at the mo.
Can't argue with that Zider Gentz, apart from the fact some contracts have not been signed yet (would be surprised if they don't get signed though) like Jungle Jim says. But I can't see them getting rid.
Wilson will not be given another year after this one, I'm sure of that. His contract would be a year shorter too, less to pay out.
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Rob
Cider Bus Convert
Bermuda
335 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 15:19:34
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So if you sack the manager, who do you bring in?
City have made some pretty poor appointments over the past 10 years and i don't think the board can afford to make another mistake the likes of Tony Pulis, so it is a bit of a risk sacking the boss when he has got you to the play offs 2 years running. At least City are showing the consistency to be challenging for promotion. With a few tweaks here and there, and a bit of luck i'm sure it will be their turn next year.
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Dog
HMZ God
793 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 15:27:34
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I agree. You'd have to pay his 2 year contract off, so you have to make sure you have someone better in the pipeline.
If the board has no-one in mind, it would be rash sacking a manager who has at the very least got us to the play-offs 2 seasons running, and fuel his compensation, just for another numpty to take the bridge.
Perhaps HMZ should contemplate a buy-out?
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Jungle Jim
HMZ God
Falkland Islands
1872 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 16:03:07
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The temptation is to blame Wilson for his past failings, but I think it's important to keep looking forwards. If we had no manager and had a list of the candidates mentioned plus Wilson I think a lot of people would choose him. Add in to the equation he will be working with a squad which he has virtually hand picked and has had for 3 years then I think he is still by far our best option. Also, whilst Goodfellow, Wilkshire, Miller and Murray all haven't lived up to potential this year, with the possible exception of Murray we have to believe they will be better players next season, and with those four plus Roberts and Aaron Brown on form going forwards, and the league's best defence behind them then we will take some stopping! Realistically I can't see us even drawing a game, let alone losing.
Hannah More Zider...
keeping the apples burning
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Gents
HMZ God
Trinidad and Tobago
2214 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 16:53:38
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Well for the past couple of years we have had to sit here and put up with smaller clubs overtaking us and making the First Division - if teams like Rotherham, Plymouth, Brighton, Wigan, QPR, Crewe, Reading, etc (all smaller clubs, with less potential, the majority with a lot less cash and no academy) can find managers that are capable of getting them out of this division on limited resources why shouldn't we be able to find one? Im not an expert on what managers are around an available but any of the usual suspects mentioned (John Ward, Peter Taylor, Leroy Rosenior, Keith Curle, Fawthrop/Tinman double act) could do a better job, and im sure there are loads of others out there. We have the players already, we just need a man who can see their strenghs and play to them...
We do have good attacking players, loads of them. Quick players, who are good with their feet, although Wilson's tactics last year didn't get the best out of them. We had defenders playing in midfield, central midfielders on the wing, leaving a midfield that often sat too deep to support the attack and resulting in our defence punting the ball up to our strikers - many of which didn't win a header all season. I think Gillespie sounds a great prospect too, but will he get a chance? Peacock will start every game, id guess Roberts will stay up front too on recent form, that leaves 3 strikers under the age of 21 who should be the future of the club competing for 1 or 2 places on the bench, where 1 of them might be lucky enough to get 10 minutes up front every other week!! How are they supposed to improve and learn?
It's true that the players offered contracts may not sign them, but i can't see them getting offered much better elsewhere, and it's the fact Wilson offered them in the first place that worries me...
Just been reading the Evening Post's review of the season, so i'll leave you with this Wilson quote from AUGUST, after drawing 1-1 with Chesterfield: "We should have been tighter at set pieces. We had more than our share of possesion and chances, and should have wrapped the game up" - This could have been said about at least 20 games that followed, so why the hell didnt he sort it out earlier? Clueless.
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lord lucan
HMZ God
440 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 17:09:13
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have to agree gents, he has said the same things all year.
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Smithy
HMZ God
Solomon Islands
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 17:55:17
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Never thought I would say this but I have to agree with Rob....if you sacked Wilson there is no bigger name manager that u could attract to the club....Who could u bring in?......Wilson is a top name manager and need to be given time....look at alec ferguson - he won nothing at united for years but the board kept the faith and look at united now.....sacking managers for finishing 3rd is just plain stupid......
 
Hannah More Zider......
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Jeff the Chef
Thatchers Veteran
United Arab Emirates
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 18:53:05
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I think he should stay. I do agree with both aruguements to an extent but think sacking him will do more harm than good.
Another thing, everytime I have seen city this season (with a couple of exceptions, i.e. Cardiff) they have been a completely different team either side of half time. Anyone else agree?
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Out of contratct - stay or go?
